Industrial Revolution And Its Consequences

[BrazenSolar]

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Reasonable analysis, though at 38 years old, I really have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as a healthy use of pornography that doesn't end up with fostering a degenerate culture. Your point about the breakdown of interpersonal relationships by everyone being able to hide behind a glowscreen most of the day has without a doubt contributed to a more anti-social culture in and of itself and is another significant and separate issue from how we perceive sex and intimacy.

I'd say the same about alcohol not having a healthy use - when healthy is defined as "good for you physically". There's no amount that doesn't result in harm of some kind, but pleasure seeking behaviour will always be part of us. Prohibition and other attempts to have zero tolerance to alcohol (and gambling, and porn) generally prove that people will always find a way to do this stuff, it's kind of part of our programming. Not that it's good and that we should give into it! I just mean in any society created by humans and lived in by humans, porn (+gambling, alcohol, other vices) will exist in some form.

I don't get why people elevate sex to such a degree in terms of importance, but I do get they do it, and I'm resigned to the fact. Even though to me it is just a thing you can do with someone that feels good. But I'm autistic anyway lol - this social stuff eludes me, but I try to understand it anyway.

That thread is good though I basically already didn't like euphoria just because it seems tacky and trying to appeal to something I don't have (a thrill at seeing sex stuff happen? Heterosexuality?). I'm not the demographic. I'm always erring on the side of hanlon's razor e.g it's stupidity/ignorance/trend-following rather than being a psyop to affect our younger gen. Lord knows porn and sexuality, when combined with the turbocharging influence of the internet, can propogate among the most impressionable demographic on earth just fine by itself without being intentionally pushed.

In practical terms there's not much of a big difference between viewpoints anyway though. We all agree the proliferation of porn and trivialisation or even obligation of sexuality is a big problem, especially when it's applied widely across the entire younger generation.

[Diplotomodon]

This is a new one

[UAE Bird Expert]

I grew up and still live in Oklahoma.

Our tornados migrated northeast by a couple of states years ago. We still have them but no where near as many as when I was a kid.

And speaking of grocery store produce, I worked in a grocery store for about a year as a holdover job not that long ago. Every single day we had delivery trucks come in with wildly varrying orders. Department management heads would order a whole list and we'd get maybe 60% of it. Now I want to be clear that not getting a 100% accurate order is so incredibly normal that it's literally the norm but this was a Sprouts, locally known for having the best and freshest produce around town. Every single day we had to shuffle around the various produce displays because multiple items we ordered and had labels for on the shelves just wouldn't come in for a week or two. Not one day went by when we weren't out of something that we wanted to market because it was suppose to be in season. Some of this is also normal, it was well known that the warhouses would just send us whatever they wanted/whatever they had excess of despite whatever order we placed, which of course led to excesses of things we didn't want because they didn't sell well. But I'm talking like the most popular apples just wouldn't exist inside the state, or we'd get one shipment of the watermelons everyone wanted for the entire watermelon season, or we had to triple up our display of green onion, asparagus, and dill because we couldn't get chives, sage, basil, rosemary, or parsley in for a week or two.

Some of that is covid disrupted supply chains but this is mid to late 2023 we're talking about, lockdowns hadn't existed for years and everyone had got back to work for at least two solid years. The suppliers of these various goods simply couldn't deliver on basic demand.